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	<title>Comments on: Children and worship</title>
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		<title>By: igalindo</title>
		<link>http://grace-ed.org/blog/archives/9/comment-page-1#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>igalindo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After yesterday&#039;s conference (where I made several comments about children in the church), one person asked me a question along the lines of &quot;What constitutes a &#039;theology of children&#039;&quot;? He&#039;d heard me mention the phrase and wanted to help his church be more informed about children in the church by clarifying a theology of children.&lt;br /&gt;
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I gave him as best an answer I could, along with some illustrations about how a theology can inform practice.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s a link to one religious group&#039;s theology of children. I think it&#039;s well done in that is contains some of the key elements that need to go into a &quot;theology for ...&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?785&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.directionjournal...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After yesterday&#8217;s conference (where I made several comments about children in the church), one person asked me a question along the lines of &quot;What constitutes a &#8216;theology of children&#8217;&quot;? He&#8217;d heard me mention the phrase and wanted to help his church be more informed about children in the church by clarifying a theology of children.</p>
<p>I gave him as best an answer I could, along with some illustrations about how a theology can inform practice.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to one religious group&#8217;s theology of children. I think it&#8217;s well done in that is contains some of the key elements that need to go into a &quot;theology for &#8230;&quot; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?785" rel="nofollow">http://www.directionjournal&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: igalindo</title>
		<link>http://grace-ed.org/blog/archives/9/comment-page-1#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>igalindo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love a good rant, Jon, so rant on.&lt;br /&gt;
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I had a chance to rant about this topic today at a conference at which I presented. I think that while most of the participants were challenged by my advocacy of keeping children in worship, and appreciated the rationale I presented, most struggled with wrapping their minds around the pragmatic logistics of keeping the kids in church and in working through the assumptions they have about keeping kids out of corporate worship.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was very hopeful to hear what some folks shared with me in private conversations after the conference. A couple of them &quot;got it&quot; and shared their attempts at being more conscientious about the inclusion of children in their worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love a good rant, Jon, so rant on.</p>
<p>I had a chance to rant about this topic today at a conference at which I presented. I think that while most of the participants were challenged by my advocacy of keeping children in worship, and appreciated the rationale I presented, most struggled with wrapping their minds around the pragmatic logistics of keeping the kids in church and in working through the assumptions they have about keeping kids out of corporate worship.</p>
<p>It was very hopeful to hear what some folks shared with me in private conversations after the conference. A couple of them &quot;got it&quot; and shared their attempts at being more conscientious about the inclusion of children in their worship.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmess</title>
		<link>http://grace-ed.org/blog/archives/9/comment-page-1#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone knows me at all, they know how I feel about this issue. Children belong in worship and should not be sent out like second class citizens. I know you have issues you rant about but this one is my big issue. I do not understand the need to send children away in order to &quot;teach&quot; them about something happening in the other room. Worship is a community gathering and should exclude no one.&lt;br /&gt;
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As you know, I wrote my thesis on this very topic. I am not the first to think this way as Horace Bushnell is a good guide. Another pioneering group is Faith Inkubators out of Stillwater, MN. Their website is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.faithink.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.faithink.com&lt;/a&gt; and they have created a wonderful resource called Faith Stepping Stones that helps the church do the very thing you suggest which is marking events in the family&#039;s life cycle within the context of worship.&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not want the comment to be longer than the original post so I shall end by simply saying, do not take children out of worship. Instead, learn from them about a pure, simple way to come into the presence of the Holy. Taking children out of worship during any part teaches the child to check out at the same time when they become an adult. We have congregations full of adults like that who don&#039;t even challenge what a pastor says in the sermon.&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, so I can&#039;t stop on this particular issue but I feel strongly enough about this that I left a ministry position when I was challenged on this very issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone knows me at all, they know how I feel about this issue. Children belong in worship and should not be sent out like second class citizens. I know you have issues you rant about but this one is my big issue. I do not understand the need to send children away in order to &quot;teach&quot; them about something happening in the other room. Worship is a community gathering and should exclude no one.</p>
<p>As you know, I wrote my thesis on this very topic. I am not the first to think this way as Horace Bushnell is a good guide. Another pioneering group is Faith Inkubators out of Stillwater, MN. Their website is <a href="http://www.faithink.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.faithink.com</a> and they have created a wonderful resource called Faith Stepping Stones that helps the church do the very thing you suggest which is marking events in the family&#8217;s life cycle within the context of worship.</p>
<p>I do not want the comment to be longer than the original post so I shall end by simply saying, do not take children out of worship. Instead, learn from them about a pure, simple way to come into the presence of the Holy. Taking children out of worship during any part teaches the child to check out at the same time when they become an adult. We have congregations full of adults like that who don&#8217;t even challenge what a pastor says in the sermon.</p>
<p>Okay, so I can&#8217;t stop on this particular issue but I feel strongly enough about this that I left a ministry position when I was challenged on this very issue!</p>
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